[OT] Poll

[Isaac Marino Bavaresco]

Is it OK by the rules of the list to start a poll?

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[Bob Blick]

Hi Isaac,
Please post your request to piclist-***@mit.edu
Thanks, Bob


On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, at 07:03 AM, Isaac Marino Bavaresco wrote:
> Is it OK by the rules of the list to start a poll?
>

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[Isaac Marino Bavaresco]

Dear All,


I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the members of
the list.
Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.


1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
2) Do you etch your PCBs?
3) Do you assemble your boards?
4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
projects with each one)
5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of lines
written)
6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
7) Which IDEs do you use?
8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
analyzer, etc.)
9) What Software frameworks do you use?

I would suggest that the responses be given as a single line in CSV
format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data compilation.
Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the items inside
each answer.

If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed answers are
OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.

My contribution:

<yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
Cortex-M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>


Cheers,

Isaac



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[Allen Mulvey]

Perhaps you should also have a question indicating pro or
hobbyist.

Allen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: piclist-***@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-
> ***@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Isaac Marino Bavaresco
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 9:44 PM
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
> Subject: [OT] Poll
>
> Dear All,
>
>
> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the
> members of
> the list.
> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>
>
> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of
> number of
> projects with each one)
> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending
> order of lines
> written)
> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version,
> distribution, etc.)
> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer,
> logic
> analyzer, etc.)
> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>
> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single
line in
> CSV
> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data
compilation.
> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the
items
> inside
> each answer.
>
> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed
> answers are
> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>
> My contribution:
>
> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
> Cortex-
> M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),
> ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
>
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[Isaac Marino Bavaresco]

Yes, that is interesting. I think we could add item (10), pro or
hobbyist/amateur.

Cheers,

Isaac


Em 03/10/2015 23:11, Allen Mulvey escreveu:
> Perhaps you should also have a question indicating pro or
> hobbyist.
>
> Allen
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: piclist-***@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-
>> ***@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Isaac Marino Bavaresco
>> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 9:44 PM
>> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
>> Subject: [OT] Poll
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the
>> members of
>> the list.
>> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>>
>>
>> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
>> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
>> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
>> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of
>> number of
>> projects with each one)
>> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending
>> order of lines
>> written)
>> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version,
>> distribution, etc.)
>> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
>> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer,
>> logic
>> analyzer, etc.)
>> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>>
>> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single
> line in
>> CSV
>> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data
> compilation.
>> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the
> items
>> inside
>> each answer.
>>
>> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed
>> answers are
>> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>>
>> My contribution:
>>
>> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
>> Cortex-
>> M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),
>> ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
>> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
>> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>>
>>
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[Neil]

My two personalities:

<Yes;
No;
Yes;
18F, 16F, A bit of 32F, Tinkering with ARM Cortex;
C,Assembly;
C18_v3.46, XC32_v1.34, MPASM_v5.51, GCC;
MPLAB,MPLABX,CoIDE;
Pickit2,Pickit3,MPLAB ICD3,Saleae Logic 8, serial LCD, LEDs;
None;
Pro>

<Yes;
No;
Yes;
18F, Arduino, Chipkit, 16F;
C;
C18_v3.46, Arduino v1.6.x;
MPLAB,Arduino, MPIDE;
Pickit2,Pickit3,Saleae Logic 8, serial LCD, LEDs;
None;
Hobbyist>


On 10/4/2015 5:41 AM, Isaac Marino Bavaresco wrote:
> Yes, that is interesting. I think we could add item (10), pro or
> hobbyist/amateur.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
> Em 03/10/2015 23:11, Allen Mulvey escreveu:
>> Perhaps you should also have a question indicating pro or
>> hobbyist.
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: piclist-***@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-
>>> ***@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Isaac Marino Bavaresco
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 9:44 PM
>>> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
>>> Subject: [OT] Poll
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the
>>> members of
>>> the list.
>>> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
>>> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
>>> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
>>> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of
>>> number of
>>> projects with each one)
>>> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending
>>> order of lines
>>> written)
>>> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version,
>>> distribution, etc.)
>>> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
>>> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer,
>>> logic
>>> analyzer, etc.)
>>> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>>>
>>> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single
>> line in
>>> CSV
>>> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data
>> compilation.
>>> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the
>> items
>>> inside
>>> each answer.
>>>
>>> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed
>>> answers are
>>> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>>>
>>> My contribution:
>>>
>>> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
>>> Cortex-
>>> M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),
>>> ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
>>> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
>>> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[IVP]

<yes;yes;yes;18F,dsPIC,16F,12F,24F,10F;Assembly;none;MPLAB8.56;PICStartPlus,USBProg,LProg;Acute1616;none>

Pro rather than amateur, in that micros are not my sole or general
source of income, but I do sell (in low volumes) what I don't use
in my own products or make as personal one-offs, so that makes
it more than a paying hobby

Joe



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[John Gardner]

Hi Isaac -

Not sure how to respond. My current PIC useage is supporting a

15-year-old product - I suppose if I was really a business I'd blow

these guys off, but they're friends of mine.

AVR/avr-gcc has been the order of the day for quite a while.

And I continue to commit TMS7000 applications.

Life in the fast lane... :)

No disrespect intended - Your posts are invariably interesting.

Jack
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[IVP]

> My current PIC useage is supporting a 15-year-old product - I
> suppose if I was really a business I'd blow these guys off

My most-recent project (last month) was a re-working of a 2001
product. Back then I made 20-odd, this time 15. On the one hand
it was a bit time-consuming (although an ultimately satisfying result,
it looks a lot better than the original), on the other it was worth the
money and I just couldn't and wouldn't refuse to do something that
really wasn't a terrible imposition. The product is just as required
and viable now as it was back then. And if sales pick up under the
new owner, well all the donkey work's been done

Joe


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[Isaac Marino Bavaresco]

Hi John,


It is not just about PICs, it is everything related how do you do your
designs and what MCUs you use, if any.
If you buy ready-made Arduino, you could answer
<no;no;no;AVR/Arduino;C++/Wiring;GCC;Arduino IDE;...
If you etch and build build your own Arduinos, you cold answer
<no;yes;yes;...


Cheers,

Isaac


Em 04/10/2015 00:41, John Gardner escreveu:
> Hi Isaac -
>
> Not sure how to respond. My current PIC useage is supporting a
>
> 15-year-old product - I suppose if I was really a business I'd blow
>
> these guys off, but they're friends of mine.
>
> AVR/avr-gcc has been the order of the day for quite a while.
>
> And I continue to commit TMS7000 applications.
>
> Life in the fast lane... :)
>
> No disrespect intended - Your posts are invariably interesting.
>
> Jack



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[Nicola Perotto]

Hi Isaac,
this is interesting!
But... how about:
- before starting the effective poll let the collective brain to refine the
questions
- use one of the free site that after the poll give you also statistics and
reports (eg. http://www.poll-maker.com/)
N


On 04/10/2015 01:44, Isaac Marino Bavaresco wrote:
> Dear All,
>
>
> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the members of
> the list.
> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>
>
> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
> projects with each one)
> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of lines
> written)
> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
> analyzer, etc.)
> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>
> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single line in CSV
> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data compilation.
> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the items inside
> each answer.
>
> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed answers are
> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>
> My contribution:
>
> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
> Cortex-M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
>

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[Isaac Marino Bavaresco]

Hi Nicola,

I have got four usable answers so far. Perhaps we could change the
questions, I just don't know how we could do that without creating a chaos.

After compiling the data I will publish it somewhere.


Cheers,

Isaac





Em 04/10/2015 09:19, Nicola Perotto escreveu:
> Hi Isaac,
> this is interesting!
> But... how about:
> - before starting the effective poll let the collective brain to refine the
> questions
> - use one of the free site that after the poll give you also statistics and
> reports (eg. http://www.poll-maker.com/)
> N
>
>
> On 04/10/2015 01:44, Isaac Marino Bavaresco wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the members of
>> the list.
>> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>>
>>
>> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
>> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
>> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
>> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
>> projects with each one)
>> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of lines
>> written)
>> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
>> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
>> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
>> analyzer, etc.)
>> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>>
>> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single line in CSV
>> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data compilation.
>> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the items inside
>> each answer.
>>
>> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed answers are
>> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>>
>> My contribution:
>>
>> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
>> Cortex-M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
>> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
>> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>>
>>



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[Sergey Dryga]

> I have got four usable answers so far. Perhaps we could change the
> questions, I just don't know how we could do that without creating a chaos.
>
> > reports (eg. http://www.poll-maker.com/)
> > N

I would bet that you will get more usable answers if the polling system is
simplified. I just do not feel "invested" enough to answer the questions
AND format them for someone's convenience. Especially since it DOES look
like a marketing survey, AND there is no clear indication of how the answers
will be used.

As it is, I get (probably like most people on the list) enough 'surveys' etc
in mail to respond to ANY.

If this survey is for PICList consumption, that is great! If this is the
case, please state so clearly, and specify how the information will be used
and where it will be posted. Then, many more people might be inclined to
not ignore it. I know I would fill out the survey then.

Best regards,

Sergey

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[Isaac Marino Bavaresco]

I started this poll to know the profile of the fellow listers, just to
fulfill my own curiosity and of colleagues from the technical community.
I'm not affiliated to any corporation or software/hardware producer
other than my own small company (that will not use the results of the
poll in any way).

The result of the poll will be published here for the benefit of all the
Piclist community.

The suggestion of formatting is just to save time and errors in the data
compilation.


Cheers,

Isaac



Em 05/10/2015 01:26, Sergey Dryga escreveu:
>> I have got four usable answers so far. Perhaps we could change the
>> questions, I just don't know how we could do that without creating a chaos.
>>
>>> reports (eg. http://www.poll-maker.com/)
>>> N
> I would bet that you will get more usable answers if the polling system is
> simplified. I just do not feel "invested" enough to answer the questions
> AND format them for someone's convenience. Especially since it DOES look
> like a marketing survey, AND there is no clear indication of how the answers
> will be used.
>
> As it is, I get (probably like most people on the list) enough 'surveys' etc
> in mail to respond to ANY.
>
> If this survey is for PICList consumption, that is great! If this is the
> case, please state so clearly, and specify how the information will be used
> and where it will be posted. Then, many more people might be inclined to
> not ignore it. I know I would fill out the survey then.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sergey
>



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[IVP]

> it DOES look like a marketing survey

Market away if you want. I'm not buying anything though ;-))

I'm sure I'll make up the 20 seconds it took somehow

Joe


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[Wouter van Ooijen]

The trouble I always have with such polls is that they seem to assume 1
type of activity. I sell kits, teach, occasionaly I develop custom SW &
HW, and I do things that could be filed as hobby projects. How to weight
and summarize all my activities? And what I use varies a lot over time.
Whight moment to use? Or average (weighted average??)?

> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
Yes
> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
No
> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
Yes
> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
> projects with each one)
Mostly Cortex-M0(+), some AVR (Arduino uno/nano), some Pi
(But one of my projects is a portable library, which runs/is suppose to
run on AVR, MSP430, all kinds of ARMs, and PC/Intel
> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of lines
> written)
C++ (some C, and a little assembler for context switching)
> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
GCC in various guises
> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
None. I prefer general-purpose editors that can call out to my
makescript (DevCPP, Notepad++, etc)
> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
> analyzer, etc.)
ARM serial downloader, oscilloscope
> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
YUK! none
>
>
Wouter van Ooijen
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[Isaac Marino Bavaresco]

Hi Wouter!


Thank you for your participation.

Although you produce hobby stuff, they are for sale, so you are a
professional. Hobbyists are the ones that use your kits.
I don't think we have to be too strict for statistical purposes.


Cheers,

Isaac


Em 04/10/2015 08:51, Wouter van Ooijen escreveu:
> The trouble I always have with such polls is that they seem to assume 1
> type of activity. I sell kits, teach, occasionaly I develop custom SW &
> HW, and I do things that could be filed as hobby projects. How to weight
> and summarize all my activities? And what I use varies a lot over time.
> Whight moment to use? Or average (weighted average??)?
>
>> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
> Yes
>> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
> No
>> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
> Yes
>> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
>> projects with each one)
> Mostly Cortex-M0(+), some AVR (Arduino uno/nano), some Pi
> (But one of my projects is a portable library, which runs/is suppose to
> run on AVR, MSP430, all kinds of ARMs, and PC/Intel
>> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of lines
>> written)
> C++ (some C, and a little assembler for context switching)
>> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
> GCC in various guises
>> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
> None. I prefer general-purpose editors that can call out to my
> makescript (DevCPP, Notepad++, etc)
>> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
>> analyzer, etc.)
> ARM serial downloader, oscilloscope
>> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
> YUK! none
>>
> Wouter van Ooijen



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[Wouter van Ooijen]

Op 04-Oct-15 om 2:16 PM schreef Isaac Marino Bavaresco:
> Hi Wouter!
>
>
> Thank you for your participation.
>
> Although you produce hobby stuff, they are for sale, so you are a
> professional. Hobbyists are the ones that use your kits.
> I don't think we have to be too strict for statistical purposes.
>

True, but I also do things that are not intented to become kits or
courses, just for the fun. I guess I am not the only one.

Wouter
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[John J. McDonough]

<yes;occasionally;yes;dsPIC,PIC32,PIC24,PIC16;C,assembler;xc16,xc32,sdcc;MPLAB-X,piklab;ICD3,PICkit3;>

On Sat, 2015-10-03 at 22:44 -0300, Isaac Marino Bavaresco wrote:
> Dear All,
>
>
> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the members of
> the list.
> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>
>
> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
> projects with each one)
> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of lines
> written)
> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
> analyzer, etc.)
> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>
> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single line in CSV
> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data compilation.
> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the items inside
> each answer.
>
> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed answers are
> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>
> My contribution:
>
> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
> Cortex-M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
>


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[Bob Blick]

<yes;no;no;atxmega,stm32;C;GCC;Atmel Studio,CooCox;Atmel JTAG
ICE,ST-LINK;ASF>

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[Nicola Perotto]

<yes;yes,CNC;yes;PIC18,12,10,16,24,32;ASM,Pascal,C;MPASM,MikroPascal,XC8;MPLab8,TotalCommander+Notepad2,MPlabX;ICD3,PicKit3,ZeroPlus
LAP-C 16128;MLA,mine>

This is half of my profession :-)

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[Richard R. Pope]

<yes;no;yes;PICs,Arduinos,BASIC Stamps;,VB6.0,VC6.0,Basic;MPASM,XC8,XC16,XC32;Atmel Studio,MPLabX,VB6.0,VC6.0;PIC2;None;Hobbyist>

I hope this helps!
Thanks,
rich!

On 10/3/2015 8:44 PM, Isaac Marino Bavaresco wrote:
> Dear All,
>
>
> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the members of
> the list.
> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>
>
> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
> projects with each one)
> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of lines
> written)
> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
> analyzer, etc.)
> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>
> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single line in CSV
> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data compilation.
> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the items inside
> each answer.
>
> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed answers are
> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>
> My contribution:
>
> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
> Cortex-M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
>


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[Dwayne Reid]

<Yes;
Used to, not anymore;
Yes;
16F, 18F, MSP430;
Assembly;
MPASM_v5.51;
MPLAB;
MPLAB ICE2000, ICD3, Pickit3, REAL-ICE, Logic Sniffer (Dangerous
Prototypes), LEDs;
None;
Pro>


At 07:44 PM 10/3/2015, Isaac Marino Bavaresco wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the members
>of the list.
>Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>
>1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
>2) Do you etch your PCBs?
>3) Do you assemble your boards?
>4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
>projects with each one)
>5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of
>lines written)
>6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
>7) Which IDEs do you use?
>8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
>analyzer, etc.)
>9) What Software frameworks do you use?


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[Brent Brown]

<Yes; no; yes, and contract assembly; PIC16/12/18, C8051F; C, assembler; XC8
v1.34, SDCC v3.4.0, MPASM, Hi-Tech c51; MPLAB v8.92, MPLAB X v3.05,
UltraEdit v19; ICD3; none; Pro>



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[David C Brown]

On 4 October 2015 at 02:44, Isaac Marino Bavaresco <
***@yahoo.com.br> wrote:

Yes, No,, Yes, Mid Range PICs,VB6 PIC assembler Pascal, MPASM, MPLAB8,
ICD2, PICKIT2, What's that?, Hobbyist (but retired pro.



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[Sergey A Dryga]

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[Mark Jordan]

<yes;sometimes;yes;Atmel
AVR;Assembly;AVRasm;none;programmer,oscilloscope,etc;none;hobbyst,prof>


On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Isaac Marino Bavaresco <
***@yahoo.com.br> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the members of
> the list.
> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>
>
> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of number of
> projects with each one)
> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending order of lines
> written)
> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version, distribution, etc.)
> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer, logic
> analyzer, etc.)
> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>
> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single line in CSV
> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data compilation.
> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the items inside
> each answer.
>
> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed answers are
> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>
> My contribution:
>
> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
>
> Cortex-M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
>
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[Allen Mulvey]

<yes;sometimes;yes;mostly PIC18F;microC;MicroElektronika;
MicroElektronika;all listed; MicroElektronika;hobbyist>

I mostly use ITEAD Studio for PCB manufacture. They have
very good quality for my purposes, are reasonably fast (2
weeks with cheapest shipping), and are low priced.

Allen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: piclist-***@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-
> ***@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Isaac Marino Bavaresco
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 9:44 PM
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
> Subject: [OT] Poll
>
> Dear All,
>
>
> I think it would be interesting to know the profile of the
> members of
> the list.
> Everybody is invited to answer the poll below.
>
>
> 1) Do you design the boards you use in your projects?
> 2) Do you etch your PCBs?
> 3) Do you assemble your boards?
> 4) Which lines of MCUs do you use? (in descending order of
> number of
> projects with each one)
> 5) What programming languages do you use (in descending
> order of lines
> written)
> 6) Which compilers do you use? (product name, version,
> distribution, etc.)
> 7) Which IDEs do you use?
> 8) What hardware tools do you use? (debugger, programmer,
> logic
> analyzer, etc.)
> 9) What Software frameworks do you use?
>
> I would suggest that the responses be given as a single
line in
> CSV
> format inside "<" and ">" to simplify the data
compilation.
> Use ';' to separate the answers and ',' to separate the
items
> inside
> each answer.
>
> If you are not compelled to give detailed answers, resumed
> answers are
> OK. Better a simplified answer than nothing.
>
> My contribution:
>
> <yes;no;only the prototypes;PIC32MX,ARM
> Cortex-
> M3,PIC32MZ,PIC18F,PIC16F;C(95%),Assembly(5%);XC32(1.31),
> ARM-GCC(4.9.3),XC16(1.21),XC8(1.21);MPLAB
> X,Atmel Studio;ICD3,PICKit3,SAM-ICE,Logic8,THS730A;MPLAB
> Harmony,MAL,Atmel ASF,FreeRTOS,SimpleRTOS>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
>
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Answers limited to embedded-related matters (i.e. excluding programming
languages for desktop use).

As a hobbyist:
<yes;no;yes;STM32F4,PIC16F,PIC18F;C,Assembly;GCC,SDCC,MPASM;gVim;PICkit2;none>

As a professional:
<no;no;no;dsPIC33,STM32F4;C,C++,Assembly;XC16,GCC;gVim;PICkit3,Altera
Byte Blaster;none>
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[Trevor Hancock]

<yes;yes prototypes;yes;PIC18,PIC16,PIC12,PIC32,arduino,ARM cortex M3
and M4;C,wiring,pascal,asm;MPLAB,Wiz-C,SourceBoost IDE,arduino
IDE,energia
IDE,notepad++,IAR,delphi/lazarus;Serial,oscilloscope,leds,pickit2,pickt3,bootloader,pickey,CoLinkEX,IAR
I-jet,j-link clone,logic/protocol analyser,smoke;mostly hobby but pro
because someone is paying me ATM : ) >

I know this is late to the party but version control is git via
sourcetree to local and bitbucket for remote.

Trevor
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[Isaac Marino Bavaresco]

Thank you, Trevor!

I think we will not have many more participants from now on, so this
weekend I will compile the data and will the results.


Cheers,

Isaac



Em 07/10/2015 02:17, Trevor Hancock escreveu:
> <yes;yes prototypes;yes;PIC18,PIC16,PIC12,PIC32,arduino,ARM cortex M3
> and M4;C,wiring,pascal,asm;MPLAB,Wiz-C,SourceBoost IDE,arduino
> IDE,energia
> IDE,notepad++,IAR,delphi/lazarus;Serial,oscilloscope,leds,pickit2,pickt3,bootloader,pickey,CoLinkEX,IAR
> I-jet,j-link clone,logic/protocol analyser,smoke;mostly hobby but pro
> because someone is paying me ATM : ) >
>
> I know this is late to the party but version control is git via
> sourcetree to local and bitbucket for remote.
>
> Trevor

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[RussellMc]

Isaac - did a compilation happen?
If so can you provide a link or other reference

Russell


On 7 October 2015 at 23:40, Isaac Marino Bavaresco <
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> Thank you, Trevor!
>
> I think we will not have many more participants from now on, so this
> weekend I will compile the data and will the results.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
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[Isaac M. Bavaresco]

Hi Russell,

Yes, I published it on 2015/10/28, but it seems that by then people
wasn't much interested anymore, nobody did comment.

Original post quoted below.

Cheers,

Isaac


> Dear All,
>
>
> We received 19 answers to the poll from 17 different people. For
> statistical purposes I considered only 17 unique answers.
> Results below.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>
>
> Boards
>
> 88.2% (15) design their own boards
> 17,6% (3) etch their own boards, while other 23.5% (4) do it sometimes
> 82.4% (14) assemble their own boards
>
> MCU
>
> PIC10/12/16/18 88.2% (15)
> PIC32 41.2% (7)
> ARM(Atmel, STM) 41.2% (7)
> dsPIC/PIC24 35.3% (6)
> AVR(including Arduino) 29.4% (5)
> 8051 5.9% (1)
> Other 11.8% (2)
>
> 100% (17) use 8-bit MCUs. 17.6% (3) use use both PICs and other vendors
> and 11.8% (2) use exclusively non-Microchip MCUs.
> Only 35.3% (6) use 16-bit PIC24 and dsPIC
> 76.5% (13) use 32-bit MCUs. 29.4% (5) use exclusively ARM, 29.4% (5) use
> exclusively PIC32, while 17.6% (3) use both.
> It seems that of the AVR users, just one does not use Arduino.
>
>
> Language
>
> C/C++ 70.6% (12)
> Assembly 70.6% (12)
> Pascal 29.4% (5)
> JAL 11.8% (2)
> Basic 5.9% (1)
>
> All of the JAL programmers also use C and Pascal.
> 17.6% (3) program exclusively in Assembly.
>
>
> Compilers
>
> MPASM 47.1% (8)
> GCC(XC16/XC32/ARMGCC/Arduino) 41.2% (7)
> MPLAB C (XC8, C18, C30, C32) 41.2% (7)
> SDCC 17.6% (3)
> MikroEletronica 17.6% (3)
> JAL 11.8% (2)
> WizC 5.9% (1)
> AVRAsm 5.9% (1)
>
>
>
>
> IDE
>
> MPLAB IDE 41.2% (7)
> MPLAB X 41.2% (7)
> Text editor 29.4% (5) (gVim, Notepad++, Notepad2, UltraEdit)
> Arduino 23.5% (4)
> MikroEletronica 11.8% (2)
> CoIDE 11.8% (2)
> Other 23.5% (4) (Atmel Studio, Piklab, Total
> Commander, Energia IDE )
>
> 11.8% (2) do not use any IDE, just a text editor.
>
>
> Tools
>
> Programmer/Debugger
> PICKIT3 47.1% (8)
> ICD3 41.2% (7)
> PICKIT2 29.4% (5)
> ICD2 5.9% (1)
>
>
> Inspection/Measurement
> Logic Analyzer 41.2% (7)
> Oscilloscope 17.6% (3)
> Other 41.2% (7) (J-Link/SAM-ICE, Real ICE, PICProg,
> LEDs, LCD, etc.)
>
>
> Software Framework
>
> None 64,7% (11)
> MAL 17.6% (3)
> ASF (Atmel ARM) 11.8% (2)
> MikroEletronica 11.8% (2)
> MPLAB Harmony 5.9% (1)
> RTOS 5.9% (1)
> Homebrew 11.8% (2)
>
> It seems that MPLAB Harmony is not taking off.
>
>
> Pro/Amateur
>
> 52.9% (9) declare themselves as professionals, while 2/3 of them (6)
> declare as hobbyists as well.
> 17.6% (3) declare as hobbyists while 29.4% (5) did not answer.


Em 23/02/2018 19:37, RussellMc escreveu:
> Isaac - did a compilation happen?
> If so can you provide a link or other reference
>
> Russell
>
>
> On 7 October 2015 at 23:40, Isaac Marino Bavaresco <
> ***@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Trevor!
>>
>> I think we will not have many more participants from now on, so this
>> weekend I will compile the data and will the results.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>>

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